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| The same storm affecting Minnesota looked like this as the low passed near New Mexico. Howling winds produced blowing and drifting -- just of dust, not snow. |
Saturday, April 14, 2018
Mid-April Blizzard: Historical or Hysterical?
OK, so clearly this storm, now officially a mid-April blizzard, is historical. But how mind-boggling is this? The baseball season is now two weeks old. And let's put to rest once and for all the ill-informed notion that big snowstorms never hit the Twin Cities.
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Getting sleet mixing in with snow in Faribault. Has a raining sound that really amplifies with the wind gusts.
ReplyDeleteI'm from Faribault too. Amazing how much the blowing snow completely stopped with a decent crust of sleet on top. 4" of snow here so far.
DeleteYou realize that aside the impressive winds, etc. actual accumulated snow is really low? Maybe 2 inches, 3 at max? I think nobody is noticing that most of what is falling from the sky, impressive as it may seem, is actually not accumulating at all.
ReplyDeleteThere is no way the core metro will be reaching the 10+ inches forecast.
I'm not sure where you're measuring, but here in Plymouth we had 1.5 inches as of 6 AM. We have picked up several inches since then.
Delete2" at MSP airport in the last hour.
DeletePut this comment in the hall of shame. Textbook case of Snow Amnesia and Derangement (SAD) syndrome.
Delete4" so far in Rosemount.
ReplyDeleteWent for a drive around the neighborhood about an hour ago, visibility easily below 1/4 mile. Winds not crazy overall but the gusts were probably 30-40 mph.
6+ inch snow bank in the part of the yard that collects snow from the garage roof. A little more than 3” accumulated elsewhere. SW Minneapolis.
ReplyDeleteSo you are all confirming what I am saying 2,3,4 inches...
ReplyDeletewe need 3 times as much ... not sure how that is going to happen, considering the NWS is saying the heavy snow rates are supposed to diminish from the evening on.
We will see....
Say about 5 more hours of 1-2" per hour. 5 * 1.5 = 7.5 + 4 = 11.5 at about 7ish tonight. Then light snow overnight, I'll probably wind up with about 14". That's my guess, anyway.
DeleteEuro is showing another wave of snow tomorrow afternoon that could bring another 3-6 inches, so it could even be more.
DeleteThe hourly HRRR 18z is coming, but its estimating 7-9" from the 1pm hour through 6pm hour, 10:1 and Kuchera methods respectively:
Deletehttp://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=hrrr&p=snku_acc&rh=2018041418&fh=5&r=us_nc&dpdt=
Carver County had 2-3 overnight and it's been snowing 0.5-2 inches per hour steadily since 9 am.
DeletePoint forecast for my location from this afternoon-tomorrow evening is a range from 11-20 MORE inches. Even averaging that, you're looking at 15 inches more, on top of the 3-6 today so far and the 2-3 last night. That adds up to a lot, approximately.
DeleteTo repost my question from the last thread, does anybody know the last time the entire 7-county metro was under the same blizzard warning? Or even just MSP proper? Someone tweeted a nap dating back to 2005, and they haven't had any since at least then. Gold star and confetti to anyone who knows!
ReplyDeleteDang. Mpls traffic camera page isn't working right now. How's a guy in New Mexico supposed to track the storm?
ReplyDeleteI know, right? I can't believe they shut it all down!!!!!! It's how I can see how bad it's getting even while living there.
DeleteGlad it's not just my computer.
DeleteWhat’s the current temp there Bill?
DeleteMid 50s. Very windy and much chiller the last few days. But NM is much cooler than Arizona because of higher elevation. Most people don't know that.
DeleteYou want an updated traffic report? I just drove home from Bloomington to Mpls. Limited visibility, especially in Bloomington, very few cars on the road, average freeway speed is 37 mph. I not only had to gun it to make it up the exit ramp, I had to gun it to make it TO the exit ramp. Not plowed and getting deep. I can also give you an update on the MSP airport traffic--not hearing any planes at all... (That part I like... ;-) I know they had issued some sort of airport weather warning earlier. No freeway noise, no airport noise, just the occasional wind. Yup, kinda' nice. MM ;-) P.S. Mid 50's there? Where's the challenge in that? Mid 20's here...in mid April...
DeleteGreat description! I feel like I'm there... almost. Regarding New Mexico weather, I just added a picture that shows the dust it blew up here on Thursday.
DeleteYou can try the plow cams. https://hb.511mn.org/#plowsHome?layers=imagePlows%2ClocationPlows&timeFrame=CURRENT_ONLY
DeleteCool! Thanks for sharing.
DeleteWe have at least 6-8 in Plymouth. This is awesome!! Bring it!!
ReplyDeleteLightening and thunder plus crazy snow here in central Bloomington.
ReplyDeleteSnow thunder here. Very cool - probably the closest we will get to a real thunderstorm. Airport is closed, flights diverted all over the place.
ReplyDeleteTweet from MSP:
Delete"Due to a lack of visibility and the fast rate of snowfall, no flights are currently taking off or landing at MSP. We're hoping to resume flight operations by 7 p.m"
Just heard thunder in Woodbury, things are really starting to pick up now! WOW
ReplyDeleteThundersnow in Woodbury...
ReplyDelete5" total snow/sleet accumulations as of 4 p.m. Looks like the 1st round of snow will be ending in about an hour.
ReplyDelete...for Faribault.
DeleteThunder snow in Golden Valley just now! Wish Jim Cantore was here!
ReplyDeleteLooks to me though that the snow will start to be choked off...dry slot coming up quick from the south shutting off the precipitation. Look at the radar!
ReplyDeleteReinforcements coming up from Rochester.
DeleteAny snowfall reports coming in? Can’t find them.
ReplyDeleteHere you go
ReplyDeletehttps://www.weather.gov/source/crh/snowmap.html?sid=mpx
Those are off by a foot in spots. I suppose it's too miserable for people to go out and measure. My husband estimated 12-14 when he started the snowblower with another 1-2 falling while he worked.
DeleteThat page displays all values over the past 24 hours, so many are from this morning. You can sort by date descending in the table. then zoom into your area.
DeleteAre we supposed to have a break or lull this evening and then it picks back up again?
ReplyDeleteAn easy foot on the ground if not more in New Brighton/Moundsview
ReplyDeleteA1
ReplyDeleteIf future radar on the weather channel app has any truth to it then it will be pulling more moisture from the south tripling in size. As a snow lover I hope we haven’t even got half of what this systems got yet!
Snow starting to develop to the south of us now, the lull should be brief.
ReplyDelete11-12” reports coming in from all over town. 4-8” more coming through tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteAirport now closed until 9 PM. Winnipeg Jets diverted to Duluth. Keep them there!
They gave up and went back home until tomorrow morning.
DeleteFrom a COCORAHS trained snowfall observer from 2 miles NE of Minneapolis, and the this is impressive.
ReplyDelete2 NE Minneapolis [Hennepin Co, MN] COCORAHS reports SNOW of 13.80 INCH at 6:00 PM CDT -- 1.7 INCHES FROM 7 AM TO NOON, 3.3 INCHES NOON TO 3 PM, 7.0 INCHES FROM 3 PM TO 6 PM.
We certainly have a foot to 14 inches here in the Plymouth area.
DeleteI was ready to report that the snow had stopped for the time being, but by the time I got my kid to bed, it had started back up. Not the 2 inches per hour we saw earlier, but still going to pile up rather quickly if it continues.
DeleteEasily 12" in Farmington. Snows not over by any means but it appears GFS wins again. Not sure why NAM was so aggressive with their totals. Anyone have thoughts on that?
ReplyDelete8pm measurement in Golden Valley......14"....still snowing but lighter intensity!
ReplyDeleteSo it looks like blizzard criteria (.25 visibility, gusts to 35, and both occurring for three hours) was not met at the airport. A technicality perhaps, but for the record it appears to be an erroneous blizzard pronouncement. Thoughts?
ReplyDeleteIt's always the same argument, nobody lives at the airport, it's not a fair assessment to just pick one location and say they made a error, also you live in NM, driving from Woodbury to Coon Rapids was totally white knuckle and horrible visibility (3pm-5pm)
DeleteI don't doubt it was a white knuckle drive and that it felt like a blizzard. But the airport is pretty representative of the inner core... and you have to have a place to measure your forecasts and warnings against. Like i say, more a technicality than anything else.
DeleteI live 5 miles south of the SW corner of Hennepin County. I guarantee Minnetrista and St Boni met blizzard criteria because I know we did. I can't speak for Ramsey County, but regardless of the airport, there was a good chunk of the county that was in a blizzard.
DeleteAbsolutely correct.
ReplyDeleteLooking at the storm database by NOAA, no blizzards conditions have been ever recorded since 1/1/1950 for the inner core metro (Hennepin and Ramsey county). This does not mean there were not blizzard warnings (unable to verify that) but not actual blizzards.
A1
ReplyDeleteI agree with James.
Nothing wrong with overwarning, after all Mndot says 400plus crashes 700plus spinouts.
If there’s any fingers to point (not necessarily saying there it) it’s at all the local Mets that were to gun shy to buy in and report how big this storm would be. None of them wanted to believe this would happen, not in April suns to strong blah blah.
First, I agree that the local mets underforecast, though in fairness the NWS did issue a winter storm warming.
DeleteRegarding the "blizzard," I just think if people (some tweeters) are going to make a big deal about this being the first blizzard warning issues in 13 years, the storm ought to officially meet those criteria. And maybe this just points out that it's kind of silly to try to delineate between a very bad snowstorm and a "blizzard." It's all on a continuum.
yes. Timing was also good. Starting to snow overnight when solar radiation is absent created a layer of snow on the roads which made it easy for the daylight snow to accumulate on.
DeleteAgreed on the mets. The 3-6 inches predicted Fri afternoon by Fox9-kmsp looks ridiculous if not borderline incompetent.
Bill this was a rare case that it actually felt like a blizzard in the metro. For a few hours it was as bad as I've seen it. I went out a little before 5:00 and could barely see in front of me while driving. Everything was white. I agree the Winter Storm to Blizzard Warning is strange. I just thought of it as heavy snow with high winds. Very strange day here and a true direct hit on the metro.
DeleteWow. Needless to say, I'm jealous. (Just not jealous of being cold for six months.)
DeleteI admit I'm shocked. And if I had a do over, I still wouldn't predict 12"-18"+ of snow. This just didn't seem plausible.
ReplyDeleteWasn't this one of those statistical end cases that very rarely occur and are hard to predict? The temp at 5 PM was 24 - 32 degrees below normal. Odds are none of us will see this again in our lives (this late in the season). One very powerful storm.
DeleteAnother strong storm will move through the area on Wednesday and that looks to drop a decent amount of snow.
DeleteWill the moisture become organized enough for any further decent accumulations?
DeleteLooking at the radar and the HRRR model runs I would say over the next couple hours a light to moderate band of snow should develop over the metro.
DeleteThe local weather segment here in Albuquerque begin by showing snow in Mankato and then Target Field. The announcer then said, "Can you imagine having a blizzard like that in the middle of April?" And you guys lived through it!
ReplyDeleteYeah we did live through it! I hope my snowblower can get it done tomorrow morning. And I can't believe more snow is forecasted for Wednesday...NWS already has "likely" and no mention of a mix with rain even during the daylight hours.
DeleteHere in the north metro (Champlin) I was surprised the NWS issued a blizzard warning. However, visibility was terrible. It was hard to see the neighbors 100 yards away! My son was out to see Jessie Diggins and the drive back from Oakdale was horrible. People had trouble seeing the road let alone seeing 50 feet in front of them (his words). He and others got stuck on the ramps because they had to stop to wait to get into traffic. It seemed like the snowfall rates were near 2" per hour in the afternoon here, so I think that maybe played into the blizzard warning. In our area as of last night (~8:30 PM) we had between 9" to 13" (9" away from buildings to 13" or more closer to buildings (not in a drift)). The snow drifts on roofs and around objects on the ground are impressive! It didn't snow much overnight and I don't expect much more today even though NWS says 2"-4" today and 1"-2" tonight. Wirth Park is grooming 3K for nordic skiing today (Sunday) and for as long as they can this week! Three Rivers still shows all parks closed for season for cross country skiing. Today I must go snowshoeing and bring the camera! It has been a very memorable storm so far!
ReplyDeleteAnybody questioning the blizzard warning has a bad case of Snow Amnesia and Derangement (SAD) syndrome. It was absolutely a blizzard, and frankly, it should have been issued earlier in the day.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree...blizzard conditions easily met even if the airport didn't and yes waited way too long to issue the blizzard warning! If ever a blizzard warning was warranted for the core this storm was it.
DeleteMSP was at 13.2” storm total as of 1:00pm. Looks like we’ll have a new April snowstorm record soon.
ReplyDeleteSo am I seeing the radar correctly and the storm is curling back over in us? How much more should we realistically expect? Trying to embrace it all but it's getting really old!
ReplyDelete"There is no way the core metro will be reaching the 10+ inches forecast."
ReplyDeleteWhere are you, Anonymous?
As a snow lover I am always happy to be wrong that way, all the time.
DeletePlowed 15" in Hopkins at 9am today, and it looks like we've got another couple inches on top of that since then. Memorable storm for sure!
ReplyDeleteBelow are some very intriguing excerpts from the NWS discussion this afternoon. Could it, would it, happen here again?!?!? What an April to remember!
ReplyDeleteThe main time period of interest in the extended forecast is Tuesday night into Wednesday. This storm has high-end potential to produce a narrow band of a foot of snow on the northern side of the track.
Models are in good agreement of at least an inch of QPF in the form of snow, and the timing is favorable across the southwest with most of it falling overnight. Meanwhile the snow will be falling during the day as it approaches I-35 and heads east. The north/south variability between the model is cause for concern. Do not have the confidence to even consider a winter storm watch since the narrow band of heavy snow could fall across northern Iowa, or it could fall across central Minnesota.
@Snow Meister yeah I read that, as a snowlover I hope it hits, but do you really think it can happen twice in April in a matter of days in the core? I think Mother Nature will spread the love around and nail someone else this time around.
DeleteOn a side note I was out all afternoon the roads were mainly wet while it was snowing at a good clip, but here in the last hour as the snow continues to fall the roads have become icy and snow covered again....I suspect many more accidents tonight and the morning rush.
It just can’t happen, can it? Could we get another significant storm in April? I just can’t take it!!! Bring it!!
ReplyDeleteWhy?
DeleteTweet by NWS for 7pm:
ReplyDeleteThe 14.9" at Minneapolis/St. Paul sets a new record for the largest April snowstorm on record #mnwx
Interesting tidbit from the NWS. 70.3" of snow since Jan 1st! New record!
ReplyDeleteSchools cancelled for tomorrow! I love that I got 18” but really cancelling suburban schools!?
ReplyDeleteResidential side streets have not been plowed curb-to-curb. School buses can't get down them and there was a fear of kids being hidden behind snowbanks getting hit. That's why the big three closed. Others closed or were delayed for the same reason. It was 100% warranted. Even with a late start here, some families couldn't make it to school today.
DeleteClose to 18" in Farmington. Officially 15" as of 1pm and we got close to 3 more since.
ReplyDeleteCareful out there this morning. Just got back from dropping someone off at the airport. Side roads, in some places are glare ice. Highways are mostly wet but there are scattered slippery spots.
It’s officially a Dome buster storm. Even with the MetroDome gone; we still have a done busting storm. https://www.twincities.com/2018/04/15/vadnais-heights-dome-casualty-of-blizzard/
ReplyDeletebuckle up, another winter storm watch posted for tomorrow night for southern MN
ReplyDeleteFinally, the storm is over. 48 hours or more from start to finish. Truly astonishing. Paul Huttner has recapped the most significant data from the storm on his blog.
ReplyDeleteI never thought I'd see a record-breaking snowstorm in Minneapolis. It's just so rare, obviously. So many people are complaining, and I just sit there and wonder how they aren't marveling at the awesomeness of it.
That said, would whoever disturbed the mummified monkey at Dayton's please put it back? I need some green grass and flowers soon.
"So many people are complaining, and I just sit there and wonder how they aren't marveling at the awesomeness of it."
ReplyDeleteYou're kidding me right?
Why would I be kidding?
DeleteWhat purpose is there in complaining? It's amazing, beautiful, awesome, record-breaking, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
I'm with you Joel! (Easy for me to say more than a thousand miles away, of course.)
DeleteI'm with Joel too.
DeleteI don’t care how amazing, beautiful, whatever it is. It’s the second half of April, freezing, I’m tromping through snow drifts, and we have weeks of puddles and mud to look forward to. I appreciated the power and beauty of our January blizzard - this one just sucks.
ReplyDeleteYou can complain if you want. Maybe you could also afford me the right to enjoy it if I so desire.
DeleteThanks
I never said you couldn’t enjoy it. You don’t seem to understand why others don’t.
DeleteI think he just feels that there's nothing you can do about it. I would imagine he can understand the frustration so many feel at wondering if spring will ever arrive. And that's the extent of my diplomacy efforts. :-)
DeleteSome people witness the power of nature and are awed by it, sensing things that are much larger than themselves; others witness the power of nature and turn inward, thinking of how burdensome it is on them. Some are able to entertain both thoughts at the same time.
DeleteC'est la vie.
Not all can be as centered and zen as Joel Fischer ;-)
DeleteI'm about as far from centered and zen as anyone you'll find...except when confronted with the power and beauty of nature. My apologies for waxing philosophical.
DeleteI am with Joel. I was here for the Halloween Blizzard and when these monster storms come, who cannot be in awe? I can see and feel climate changing, but then I have to ground myself in reality and search for records/stories of those storms, too, so that I don't 'just complain' or exaggerate and feel miserable but instead remind myself of what really transpired. I don't even remember the 1983 storm as many of you do, but I know I was here. I guess that's proof that we often do just fine no matter what Mother Nature throws at us. I think I'm a mix of what Joel writes above - yeah, it's hard to get through this stuff and shoveling this heart attack snow is difficult, so sometimes I complain. At the same time, it is beautiful and yes, as he says, awe-inspiring because of the sheer magnitude of it all. What control do we have over this? Not much! And P.S.: if our temps had not been 'so below normal' then this would have been a nice big rainstorm like Friday started out being, right? That makes it even MORE awe-inspiring.
DeleteI'm with you Joel, it is awe inspiring! I wasn't here for the Halloween Blizzard but witnessed many Nor'easters growing up on the east coast and this weekends storm reminded me of those times...my friends back home dubbed it a Mideastern!
DeleteWell done, Bill :-) I’m not trying to be snippy, but it’s hard today. And based on my interactions around town this morning, I’m not alone. If you suggest appreciating the beauty of the storm in a crowd of Twin Citians, you’d best duck before you get slapped :-)
ReplyDeleteSome might like this. Others, not. https://www.facebook.com/dale.hutson.7/videos/10206461234789494/
ReplyDeleteThe GFS just took Wednesday's storm into Iowa, with very small accumulation amounts for Southern Minnesota. Lets hope this continues!
ReplyDeleteI feel spring coming. It's getting time to say 'goodbye' until fall comes and snowflakes appear again in our forecasts. It's been a great blog/snow/cold year, Bill. I'm glad you keep the blog going even from afar. May everyone enjoy the coming days/months. See you when Mother Nature/Old Man Winter decide to reappear.
ReplyDeleteThe NWS has made their forecast assessment for the April 13-16, 2018, Winter Storm/Blizzard available:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.weather.gov/mpx/14Apr2018grade
Hey Bill, it’s long overdue for a new thread don’t you think? Maybe a new thread to discuss thoughts on the winter ahead, El Niño and it’s impact locally or just maybe some friendly predictions on our first frost/32 or snowflakes. After all going way back in our weather record books, if I’m not mistaken September 26 was the earliest snow the metro has observed (just a mere month away). Hope the summer months has treated you and yours well!
ReplyDeleteBill, I agree with @bigdaddy, to me with Labor Day behind us, state fair over and the kiddos are back to school and meteorological fall here how about a new thread? Or is this blog DOA?
ReplyDeleteAnyone have any thoughts on how a stalled Florence over the Carolinas will impact our weather here in MN?
ReplyDeleteA heat advisory in mid-September! Bring it!!
ReplyDeleteFirst snow on the "fantasyland" of the GFS.
ReplyDeleteLooks like this blog is DEAD! Will be sad not to have this blog come winter which is fast approaching. I see 30’s forecasted for lows later next week.
ReplyDeleteGeezs does anyone come here anymore?? Nothing said or predicted.
ReplyDeleteGFS hinting at big snow potential over ND and SD in early October!
ReplyDeleteHoping to see this up and running for the new season soon. There is 'sleet' in our MSP forecast tonight, even though no accumulation.
ReplyDeleteearth to bill.....attention earth to bill........please come in bill....
ReplyDeleteIF this wet pattern can hold on for a few more weeks?!?
ReplyDeleteThis blog is dead! I vote for someone else who is a weather nut especially during snow months to start a new one, I would but I’m not tech savvy and don’t know the first thing about it.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the blog is dead. Last year it started back up mid-Oct. Someone could try connecting with Bill via FB, too..... I thought about it, but the patterns don't look snowy enough around here yet to bug him. I'm holding out hope the blog lives on. And all I can say is: I'm glad the rain forecast for the next few days isn't all snow. :+)
ReplyDeleteYOU GUYS CHOMPING AT THE BIT FOR WINTER: Yes. I shouted. I messaged Bill on FB and this blog is alive and well. It's not 'dead' as anonymous above posted. I LOVE this blog and look forward to Mother Nature dealing us the winter weather that brings it back to life. Patience, people, patience. Enjoy the many inches of rain coming in the next few days.
ReplyDeleteIs it me or has the core metro picked up nowhere near the amount of rain the past couple of days the NWS was saying we would? It seems that for the most part it has been just cloudy with drizzle here in the Plymouth/Maple Grove area, except for a few hours of steady rain last night. Listening to the NWS over this past week it sounded like we were going to have a biblical flood. Glad they have been wrong.
ReplyDeleteFunny isn’t it, Sunday nights graphic had 4-6” of RAIN right thru the core. Not even close, big swing and miss by the NWS on this one!
DeleteAnd @weatherGeek so where is Bill and a brew thread. Would be nice to write this on a new thread and not something that is 6 months old. Please comeback Bill!?!?!?
Did the NWS really use the word "bitter" in this morning's metro forecast discussion?!
ReplyDelete.LONG TERM...(Wednesday through Monday)
Issued at 305 AM CDT Tue Oct 9 2018
... Looking ahead, cool and cloudy weather will continue. Thursday will be bitter with highs struggling to get out of the 30s. The reason being is that subfreezing H850 temps are already in place across the Dakotas, and this storm system will easily tap into that cold air and wrap it across Minnesota and Wisconsin for Thursday and Friday.
Ready for snow.... I know Bill will be here soon. Now that I see snow forecast up north..... hopefully super soon. If you are a FB fan you can message him there. And yes, earlier forecasts had a lot of rain in the metro but it shifted east. I'm glad after just driving home on metro freeways in the dark with a lot of wet stuff pouring from the skies. It is hard to see out there. Hoping Bill (and Novak) come back to the blog very soon and that the '2019' season posts start soon. Patience............ patience................
ReplyDeleteI believe it will snow in the metro tonight....just saying! Looks like a lot of wrap around moisture tonight and cold air(cold enough for snow) will be ushered in tonight. I’m not predicting accumulation (possibly some on grass if it snows hard enough), but I believe snow will be in the air tonight(Phil Collins song for you young ones)
ReplyDeleteCalled it! Flurries/light snow fell between 4 and 6am this morning in west metro.
DeleteStill no Bill or new thread!?!?!?!?
ReplyDeleteWe’ve had a frost and freeze in the metro already, we have snow snow as well. There was a snowstorm to our northwest that produced nearly 20” in Grand Forks and still none of this can get a new thread started. What gives Bill? Is the blog dead?
Bill says his blog is alive and well. He's probably watching us chomping at the bit from afar. Be patient, everyone. I looked at previous years and most blogs started up mid Oct or thereabouts. Patience......... here is part of his reply to my FB inquiry: "The blog is not dead, just in non-winter hibernation. I've decided it's pretty much a winter-focused blog." We are not yet in winter, even if it feels enough like it at times........ patience, my winter-loving pals. :+)
Delete“We we are not in winter”, says the man living in New Mexico. Need to keep up Bill! It’s snowing and heavily I might add in the metro and accumulations are happening. Just look at Facebook photos for proof!
ReplyDeleteSnow in the forecast again for Saturday morning!
ReplyDeleteLet's remember THIS prediction as it snows this weekend and we continue going from the 60s to the 20s and vice versa......https://kstp.com/weather/warm-wet-winter-predicted-much-of-us-national-weather-service-el-nino/5113656/?cat=1
ReplyDelete@Bill, it doesn’t have to be winter to start a new thread! How about starting one on the article last sent by @WeatherGeek. I’m sure that will stir up some thoughts.
ReplyDeleteFrom this morning’s CWA forecast discussion:
ReplyDeleteThere are some signs the pattern will become wavier and more
progressive from next week into early November. A number of EC
ensemble members and the CFS are bringing a stormier pattern to
much of the region, so something to watch for the next week to 10
days.
Can we have our first accumulating snowfall on Halloween since that fabulous day 27 years ago? BTW my app shows snow as well on October 31. Let’s see what happens!
Well well well.....
ReplyDeleteFollowing the weekend system, it looks like the overall trend
should be to drying and a little more sunshine Monday into
Tuesday. Then the models diverge on how it handles the west coast
energy late next week. The ECMWF appears to be more split flow
like with the main southwest energy lagging a bit. It lifts out
mainly next Thursday night/Friday and farther to the southeast.
The GFS is farther north, drawing in a more dynamic southwest flow
low pressure system into southern Minnesota on Halloween. It
looks blustery and wet with the rain changing over to wet,
accumulating snow late on the 31st to the west, and across the
rest of the CWA on November 1st. Models generally have a hard time
with phasing of any western trough energy. This has been in the
longer term models for about a week now, however. It will
definitely be something to monitor the next few days.
Today’s AFD from NWS:
ReplyDeleteThere have been
indications of a more significant system occurring late next week
or next weekend somewhere nearby which could be accompanied by
snow. Consistency with the finer details of the pattern has been
poor, but the overall pattern does support such potential.
I like the word potential when it pertains to snow, something to watch. Also Dr Novak is “intrigued” with next weeks setup, we will be turning colder so anything is possible. Maybe now with the new thread Bill?
Hmmmmmm......Jonathan Yuhas has 60% rain/snow chance next Friday with “minor accumulations”. Maybe there is something interesting on the horizon.
ReplyDeleteA lot of snow chatter in Minnesota starting with late Thursday and again they the weekend. Oh boy it’s starting early this year!!
ReplyDeletecan we get a new thread about the upcoming weekend? thank you
ReplyDeleteTime for a new thread bill? Novak is sounding the bell for winters return this weekend and next week.
ReplyDeleteMaybe its time Bill pass the torch.
ReplyDeleteWhat’s with all the snow comments? Do you not see the temps the next 7 days, 40’s. Your not getting anything significant with that or sticking, maybe flakes in the air that melt on contact or a token dusting on your car! Temps are not there yet to support accumulation
ReplyDeleteNWS says rain Friday thru Sunday why are we even discussing/saying snow?
ReplyDeletePretty disappointing that we have already seen snow this fall/winter and snow is in the 7 day forecast and we are now in November and yet still no new thread. Bill you feeling alright?
ReplyDeleteI'd say go onto FB and message him. Some years the blog hasn't started yet as of this date, but I hear you! We are chomping at the bit and the outlook is cold, cold, and cold. So much for 'above normal temps' outlook that noaa was pushing! I don't want to bug Bill again.
DeleteTypical Minnesota(metro) weather! We got two “wet” systems right before the real cold air arrives with rain then 10 days of real cold, cold enough for snow but all we got coming is token snow showers. If I was a betting person I bet the next storm comes in mixed bag or rain after the cold air is exhausted.
ReplyDeleteTrue. I was so looking forward to duplicating last year's snow photos with the grandkid yesterday, but it was just rain. Just brought in the shovel and ice melt from the garage... we will see what comes before the frigid temps Novak is talking about on his FB post. I still cannot believe noaa and their 'above normal temps' seasonal outlook that they had up for eons on their site. Brrrrrrrrr. It's going to be very, very cold later this week/during the weekend.
Delete@WeatherGeek, Novak has been off with his predictions thus far regarding snow. He was totally surprised by the system that brought snow to southern MN a few weeks back and he said “winter returns this weekend(the one that just passed) and especially early next week(which is right now and tomorrow)” and all we’ve seen thus far is rain and more rain, perhaps some rogue snow showers tomorrow. And the late week system that he calls “impressive” is missing the metro perhaps again some more snow showers. If you see an inch of snow this week consider yourself very lucky.
DeleteSnowing here.
DeleteSeriously, there isn't much to talk about in regards to winter precipitation. The Teleconnections like AO,EPO,NAO,and PNA continue to advertise below normal conditions, with the storm tack being suppressed well to south. I'm sure Bill is not interested in starting a new thread about the possibility of a dusting of snow now and then.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, Randy. I do look forward to the start of our new season of discussions, though! :+)
ReplyDelete